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    狼寶寶 GreenReaper 的頭像
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    引用 作者: Sonic Adolph
    What's the different between wiki and wikicities?
    I have saw that there're many different type of wiki, just like linux having many different distrubtion.
    There are many words I should explain:
    • * wiki is a concept, an idea of having a website that is freely editable by everyone and which keeps full records so that it can be rolled back to a previous state if necessary. There are thousands of separate wikis nowadays.
      * MediaWiki is a particular type of wiki software, like KDE is for Linux. It is popular, mostly because Wikipedia uses it and helps to develop it, and so it is one of the best for dealing with problems caused by troublesome users.
      * Wikipedia is a single group of websites that runs on MediaWiki software. It aims to be the best encyclopedia in the world.
      * The Wikimedia Foundation runs Wikipedia, as well as other projects such as Wikinews, Wikibooks, Wiktionary, etc. It is headed by the Board of Wikimedia, which is led by the founder of Wikipedia. It is a non-profit organization - its objective is not to make money, but to make knowledge free to everyone.
      * Wikia is a company that was made in the last few years by the same founder as Wikipedia. Its objective is to make money - or at least, to try doing things that could make money - using wiki technology. It is not the same as the Wikimedia Foundation, but some of the same people work for both.
      * Wikicities is a collection of community-based wikis (no personal wikis) that are each around a particular topic. There are around 600 of them, though many are still small (list of the biggest - click each Website link to see the wiki). Wikicities is hosted and overseen by Wikia, which provides technical support, but the individual wikis are run by the community of contributors. Wikia only helps when needed. The wikis on it are free - the price you pay for hosting is having Google advertisements, as you can see on WikiFur.

    I have led three wikis myself on Wikicities - two of them (the Creatures Wiki and WikiFur) are two of the largest of the wikis on Wikicities. The other one started last week and already has 140 pages. It is great fun . . . most of the time. :-D

    When we have a wiki, I think we can translate and write articles at the same time, as widen chinese fur's horizon is very important to me.
    And to me. Indeed, I would like to connect the whole world. In this past month I have talked with furs in Norway and China and Japan and Germany and Australia, as well as the UK and Canada and the USA. We can work together and help one another, even if we cannot easily meet one another. I would also be interested in learning about the things that Chinese furs do. :-)

    For instance, chinese fur will find it convenient if we can translate the wikifur, as they can find useful things in the database.
    That would be an excellent use for it. I can see that it is good that we write about things that we all know in the English-speaking world, as they may be new concepts to people in other countries.

    This is one reason why I think it would be good to have it in one place, on one site. It makes it easier to go directly to the page that has the source information - all you would do is put [[en:Furry fandom]] and it links to it on the side of the page, like in Wikipedia.

    However, if you would prefer to be on a different site and use normal links, then that would work too. Either way, you are free and welcome to use our text - indeed, it is guaranteed to be free for you by the license (the GFDL). The pictures would probably be OK as well for a translated article.


    Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry
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    引用 作者: GreenReaper
    However, if you would prefer to be on a different site and use normal links, then that would work too. Either way, you are free and welcome to use our text - indeed, it is guaranteed to be free for you by the license (the GFDL). The pictures would probably be OK as well for a translated article.
    Sorry if I'm misspoken any thing .....

    I'm quite concerning about these licencing's problem ...

    From your post i knew that you encorporated the GNU Free Documentation License . I would like to know if any other license also has been used in , or can we use other license other than GNU ? For example , [url = "http://creativecommons.org"]Creative Commons [/url] .

    Also , is it possible to encorporate multiple license at once ??? ( eg . GFDL and creative commons )

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    狼寶寶 GreenReaper 的頭像
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    引用 作者: 孤狼
    I'm quite concerning about these licencing's problem ...

    From your post i knew that you encorporated the GNU Free Documentation License . I would like to know if any other license also has been used in , or can we use other license other than GNU ? For example , [url = "http://creativecommons.org"]Creative Commons [/url] .

    Also , is it possible to encorporate multiple license at once ??? ( eg . GFDL and creative commons )
    All Wikicities are under the GFDL. The main reason for this is so that every wikicity can share the content of every other wikicity and of other sites that use the GFDL without worrying about licensing. In particular, they can freely use text from Wikipedia, which would not otherwise be the case.

    You are welcome to state on the page about you that all your contributions are licensed under the GFDL and also under another license (so-called dual-licensing). It might also be possible to specify that an entire site is dual-licensed . . . but that would cause problems because you cannot take words that have been written only under the GFDL, and then say that they are usable with Creative Commons licenses as well - the original author did not say that!

    These situations get complicated. There are some explanations at Wikicities, Wikipedia and Wikitravel.

    A few other wikis (Uncyclopedia and Memory Alpha) that are operated by Wikia are under a Creative Commons license. This is because those wikis existed before and were already using that license. They were already large wikis so an exception was made for them.

    In practice, the license used is rarely a problem. As long as everyone agrees that the right thing is being done, nobody complains if something is technically against the license. You are right to consider it now, though. :-)


    Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry
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    少年狼 Sonic Adolph 的頭像
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    Oh, count me in.I will be free after May
    I will be interested in writing and translating article
    I used to have the idea to translate WikiFur when i first saw it XD"

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    Oh wow, I didn't knew that there are still copyright problems have to take care of, other than that, if we translated something I think it's good to post here and discuss it before go any further (like~~really publish it on wiki or other websites)

    *showing his paw* question!~~when we translate an article from wikifur to this wolfbbs do we need to put and siteation ? like auther, date, title, those crazy stuffs we learned at Eng class?? Or just article link and the auther??

    btw how'd you found this form and my LJ !?!? amazing greenriper ~~~ *squeeze and hide*

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    引用 作者: Kofu
    Oh wow, I didn't knew that there are still copyright problems have to take care of, other than that, if we translated something I think it's good to post here and discuss it before go any further (like~~really publish it on wiki or other websites)
    I would not say that they are "problems", more "things to be aware of". It is always good to talk about these things before writing a lot of pages. I am very flexible about these things myself - after all, we're all furry fans, right? - and I think you will find the rest of the WikiFur contributors to be the same way.

    *showing his paw* question!~~when we translate an article from wikifur to this wolfbbs do we need to put and siteation ? like auther, date, title, those crazy stuffs we learned at Eng class?? Or just article link and the auther??
    Technically a translation is a "modification", and so it requires some attribution. I would recommend that if you did the translation on a separate site (such as here) you should make a standard template that links back to the original page and to the edit history for that article (each article page in MediaWiki has a full edit history page that lists all the authors). That should be sufficient. If you hosted it on Wikicities then the link to the English version at the side would probably be fine by itself. The objective is mostly that people can get to the original if necessary.

    btw how'd you found this form and my LJ !?!? amazing greenriper ~~~ *squeeze and hide*
    I am very good at finding things.

    Actually, Google is very good at finding things! I use Google Analytics, which is a statistics program that tells me (among many other things) what site people are visiting WikiFur from. Often it gives me the exact page. I also search for WikiFur regularly on the web search, and on LJsearch. This tends to find most mentions sooner or later.


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    少年狼 孤狼 的頭像
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    引用 作者: GreenReaper
    I am very good at finding things.

    Actually, Google is very good at finding things! I use Google Analytics, which is a statistics program that tells me (among many other things) what site people are visiting WikiFur from. Often it gives me the exact page. I also search for WikiFur regularly on the web search, and on LJsearch. This tends to find most mentions sooner or later.
    [ Warning ... ] Questions Out Of Topic ...

    I'm quite suprise when i Google Analytics in your post .....

    I'm fascinating by the Google Analytics long time ago ...

    I have apply for invitation to be sent if available ....

    But , just out of curiosity, do you have any invitations ? I'd like to have one ... as i need to perform analisis on my web site ...

    ( End of out-topic question ... )

    Another question ..... not a question actually ... but just a mere suggestions ....

    On the wikicities main page .. Under the "In other languages" sections , I saw two link as is linked to the same language page(s) ...

    After looking into the link destinations , i know that {1} is traditional chinese , the other {2} is simplyfied chinese ...

    It will be better to make the link to show as {1} 繁體中文 , {2} as 简体中文 ....

    It will be easier to let user notice the difference , rather than the word "中文" . It is the same word for both of the language ...

    Well it probably my own thought .... please ignor me if you find it difficult to accept ...


    Jodern

    attached pictutre ....





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    狼寶寶 GreenReaper 的頭像
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    But , just out of curiosity, do you have any invitations ? I'd like to have one ... as i need to perform analisis on my web site ...
    I am afraid that there is no such thing as an invitation for Analytics, as there was for GMail . . . or, if there is, I haven't been given any. It seems they are still not ready to expand it.
    On the wikicities main page .. Under the "In other languages" sections , I saw two link as is linked to the same language page(s) ...

    After looking into the link destinations , i know that {1} is traditional chinese , the other {2} is simplyfied chinese ...

    It will be better to make the link to show as {1} 繁體中文 , {2} as 简体中文 ....

    It will be easier to let user notice the difference , rather than the word "中文" . It is the same word for both of the language ...
    Good idea. I will suggest that to the Wikicities staff.


    Laurence "GreenReaper" Parry
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    引用 作者: MINE
    打算先翻這篇~~
    http://furry.wikicities.com/wiki/Furry_fandom
    --
    其實應該把這個站也加到WIKIFUR的介紹裡面啊
    不知道KIBA有什麼想法?
    WIKIFUR 還沒加, 倒是 WIKI 中文版跟百度百科都給加了
    看誰有空可以幫忙翻譯貼到 wikifur 一下 XD

    另外, 我想自己架個 wiki , 排定到下一階段的時程表.

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    First sorry for bumping an old thread!
    首先為頂起很久quote="MINE"]ot;MINE"]FURNPICK就這樣寫就應該OK了

    WIKIFUR的話就得要寫成文章...[/quote]
    其實應該沒有那麽難……

    代碼:
    A traditional chinese based forum features furry art posting, news about furry , were & animal, chat-room and other related resources.
    
    ==Furry arts==
    ==Furry News==
    ==Discussion about weres and animals==
    ==Wolves' Paradise Chat room==
    == etc. ==
    引用 作者: 孤狼
    It will be better to make the link to show as {1} 繁體中文 , {2} as 简体中文 ....
    Mediawiki is developed with Wikipedia in mind. For the purposes of Wikipedia, one Chinese version is enough, since most of the Chinese articles only differ in terminology. So they used one version, Chinese (zh), and use machine to convert between Simplified Chinese and Traditional ("Authentic") Chinese.

    I think if we set up a wiki for Chinese-speaking furries, this would be a feasible approach.

    But there's another way of handling this.

    The Mozilla Developers' Center, or devmo, holds technical infomation about Firefox and other projects of Mozilla. Since it's technical, there are many differences between the texts. Therefore two versions of Chinese are absolutely needed.

    You can use the codes [[zh-CN:Pagename]] and [[zh-TW:Pagename]] to access them.


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